Posts by Sea Breeze

After these first two judgments for the believer, there are three more for: The Jews, the survivors of the GT , and the unrighteous dead.

Think of the billions and billions of suffering creatures because our world is based on predation.

Just for clarification:

Think of the billions and billions of suffering creatures because our [fallen and cursed] world is based on predation.

Seems like sins are not paid by dying or the ransom if there is a judgment in-spite of it. How do you see it?

It is the destiny of everyone - believer and non-believer alike to be judged. (Hebrews 9: 27) But, they are not all judged at the same place, at the same time, or for the same reason.

Unbelievers and heretics, having rejected the salvation of God for a vicarious death and punishment in Jesus Christ, must then be judged by their own works, having rejected the work of Christ on Calvary Hill. This judgement takes place after the Millennium Reign at the Great White Throne. Here, they will be resurrected and stand trial in their fully integrated body, soul and spirit. This is the "resurrection unto damnation".

Also written about here: "The rest of the dead did not come to life until after the thousand years were finished".

The righteous dead, with their souls already in heaven will also be fully integrated with their body, soul and spirit in a glorified form... like Jesus had after his resurrection. This is the "resurrection unto life".... also known as the First Resurrection. They will be judged at the Bema Seat Judgement, probably while the Great Tribulation is wrapping up and the last of those sealed are martyred. This judgement doesn't determine salvation. That issue was settled forever at the cross.

The Bema seat judgement, also known as the Judgement Seat of Christ, is for rewards... called crowns in the bible. There are several types of crowns that will be available to believers.

The idea of a resurrection of people for a second chance in a paradise earth is a complete fiction and is not supported anywhere in the bible. The survivors of the GT who are allowed in will repopulate the earth, not resurrected people.

For Christians, it's because Jesus said so:

Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He. And to love Him with all the heart, with all the understanding, with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love one’s neighbor as oneself, is more than all the whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.”

Now when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”
But after that no one dared question Him.

Everything is based on the Resurrection. A man who has such wisdom and moral character as Jesus AND was raised from the dead is worthy of believing...... especially when compared to all the other options.

@ Parzival

What is the local consensus on why he did it?

Good Catch BM:

Deuteronomy 29:10-15 :

“All of you stand today before the Lord your God: your leaders and your tribes and your elders and your officers, all the men of Israel, 11 your little ones and your wives—also the stranger who is in your camp, from the one who cuts your wood to the one who draws your water— 12 that you may enter into covenant with the Lord your God, and into His oath, which the Lord your God makes with you today, 13 that He may establish you today as a people for Himself, and that He may be God to you, just as He has spoken to you, and just as He has sworn to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

14 “I make this covenant and this oath, not with you alone, 15 but with him who stands here with us today before the Lord our God, as well as with him who is not here with us today

VH7 - Rev. 5:9 doesn't say the 144k male Jewish virgins are from every kindred and nation?

"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation"

The 144K are not introduced until Chapter 7.

Rev. 14 says they (144K are on MT. Zion.) They hear a voice "from heaven" because they are on earth.

What makes you think the 144K are in heaven?

Excellent quotes you dug up there VH7!

It's like they want to be cursed of God. Evil slaves.... every one of them.